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Captain Crimson
Caldari CoreTech Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tisanta multifreq works very nicley in fleet combat
Oh dear....
Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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Captain Crimson
Caldari CoreTech Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Crimson on 16/02/2007 21:03:55
Originally by: Tisanta he doesnt need to fly them to understand them.. as a laser boat pilot i will agree in what he says the fact we get our explosive armour hole filled at base means we can use EANM all the time and not need to specificly have a weakness to our armour ( though T2 does have a thermal problem)
combine that with the fact that we can still do alot of damage whilst tanking well & using nos.. which seems to be a rather large factor in combat and something most pilots seem to thinki s a weapon used against us rather than by us.. makes for an all together good setup of a race.
people assume because amarrians are cap reliant that nos will be an issue.. but when you consider the facts and by that i mean what amarr gets that no body else does is this:
Amarr gets:
good base resistances enough PG to fit nos/neuts and guns enough cap to sustain lasers and be nossed decent ships nice bonuses the ability to use lasers and the only race to do it very hard tanks drones on most ships
when you actualy look at nos and its ability to ruin a ship.. it isnt really all that powerful..
Apoc base cap: 9000 abaddon base cap: 8000(ish) nos amount by single nos: 100
you need atleast 4/5 nos to dent an amarrian ships cap and thats if we dont have any nos ourself.. or better yet neutralizers.
3 nos 1 neut 4 guns... tank breaker and damage to remove lasting HP...
4 guns with awful tracking (and can be severly done in by tracking disruptors).
The good base resistances... what, we get an extra 10% to our armour explosive? THe cap thing is true... but most fights take time, with 4 guns, that time will be a very long one. The abbadon and maelstorm have the same PG... We do get a few killer ships and good capitals, but our standard ships are poor. Nice bonuses... well, bonus for most ships. The laser vs omnitank thing is a known issue... and the fact we need a skill to reduce cap for our weapons shows how bad the amarr cap is.... if it's so good, why do we need that bonus?
Plus, on paper, things make a lot more sense..... but actual situations burn that piece of paper and scream "F*** this s***"
I think they should just make amarr ships have a built in -50% to laser cap.
My 2 cents.
edit: people seem to think when i said just 'ships get a -50%' i meant all ships.
Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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Captain Crimson
Caldari CoreTech Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tisanta i dont have cap issues in my abaddon... probably because i use more nos than guns but thats just me.. and by the way did i mention it works.. i've fought carriers.. dreads.. nos domis... gank domis... vindicators.. nanophoons and none can bring down an abaddon of my fitting.
No proper minmatar ships then?
Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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Captain Crimson
Caldari CoreTech Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tisanta
Originally by: Almarez
Originally by: Tisanta i dont have cap issues in my abaddon... probably because i use more nos than guns but thats just me.. and by the way did i mention it works.. i've fought carriers.. dreads.. nos domis... gank domis... vindicators.. nanophoons and none can bring down an abaddon of my fitting.
OMG...so you run more NOS than guns so what happens when you run into a non-cap dependent ship. I mean come on.
And yes, someone does have to fly the race to understand the issues because any trully skilled pilot knows that Eve is not a game of statistics. Your ship description may say something that makes it sound awesome but that doesn't make it so, and vice versa.
Have you fought a passively tanked Raven or Tempest with that thing, because I doubt your DPS is high enough to do anything. Let's be honest, to say that you require NOS to sustain yourself is crazy because no other race needs that.
well after piloting the pilgrim for 3 months straight i grew a natural fear of anything that looked like it could passive tank ( drake *cries*) so i decided to make a giant pilgrim.. that couldnt cloak.. it worked wonders.. out-nossing nos domis and tanking harder than them..
combat= break your opponents tank.. be it through DPS or NOS stage 2: remove the HP! stage 3: laugh as you pickup their can and slowly float back to the station that you are perma tanking...
Then those nos domis sucked. And you are complaining about them too? make up your mind. Nos domis are your only threat, so you decide to put another thread saying nerf them.
Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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Captain Crimson
Caldari CoreTech Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tisanta dont argue with me because i know better.
Why start a forum thread then?
Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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Captain Crimson
Caldari CoreTech Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Crimson on 16/02/2007 21:30:09 Edited by: Captain Crimson on 16/02/2007 21:29:51 Ok, you are saying the abaddon and pilgrim are good. What about some other ships?
Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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Captain Crimson
Caldari CoreTech Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:47:00 -
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And quite a bit of it is outclassed too..... ooh, maller vs rupture?! fun time!
Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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Captain Crimson
Caldari CoreTech Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tisanta
Originally by: Captain Crimson And quite a bit of it is outclassed too..... ooh, maller vs rupture?! fun time!
maller vs ruppy.. maller wins 80% resists + 2 nos = dead ruppy:D
Capless weapons anyone?
Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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Captain Crimson
Caldari CoreTech Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tisanta guna break that tank with your pea shooters?
I could say the same, but autocannons are better than pulses.
Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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Captain Crimson
Caldari CoreTech Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Crimson on 16/02/2007 22:19:19
Originally by: Tisanta ...fine... i will explain one more time.. because you seem to be incapable of relising that a rupture would not beat a maller.. 1v1..
maller... has uber ultra tank. ruppy... has ultra gank fit..
maller noses ruppy and feeds its own tank... without breaking a sweat it tanks the ruppy and what ever else decides to attack it.. ruppy runs out of cap... after tanking 2 nos and 4 lasers for the last 5 minutes... ruppy cant repair anymore... so maller continues to shoot away slowly removing the "6000" armour it has... maller meanwhile still tanking everything the ruppy has to give... ruppy hits structure.. pilot thinks oh ****!.. maller still at 98% armour tanking just fine... maller retracts drones and finishes the job.
Idealistic setup. The ruppy might not go all gank. And you think the maller has drones. Well done, mr amarr master.
Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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Captain Crimson
Caldari CoreTech Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.17 00:26:00 -
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Yea, i got bored with the complete impossibility of dislodging his idea that amarr are the best, so i gave up.
Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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Captain Crimson
Caldari CoreTech Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.21 04:36:00 -
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Can someone lock this topic? It has been proven the OP has no idea what he is talking about, and the flame war is giving me a headache.
Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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Captain Crimson
Caldari CoreTech Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.21 04:43:00 -
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Well, caldari have been proven to be a bit bad in solo PvP....
Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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